M+ Talents for Shadowlands (Beta)

Been having a bit of a go at the dungeons. Talent choices are somewhat cookie-cutter but if you run with a group you’re comfortable with you can make a few trades.

Renewal
There is quite a chunk of unmitigatable damage now (Prideful) so Renewal and Restoration Affinity are no longer troll picks. If you take Night Fae, you also have 90s Blink so choosing Renewal can be rewarding.

Good dungeons for Renewal (Low Movement within Encounters)
Halls of Atonement
Sanguine Depths
The Necrotic Wake (Suicide Strat Last Boss)
Theater of Pain

Savage Roar
If you can maintain Savage Roar from one pack to the next and have mid level combo points for the next pack, SR performs well to buff your AoE Rip and Rake and Swipe which are your main cleave abilities for trash. SotF performs better on single target. Savage Roar is also good if you can get resets on boss encounters as you get energy from Predator rather than the refund from SotF.

Good dungeons for Savage Roar
Halls of Atonement [you can also walk out and respec before first boss]
Plaguefall
Sanguine Depths
The Necrotic Wake
Theater of Pain

Bloodtalons vs Moment of Clarity
This is difficulty and group comp dependent – if you have large pulls that don’t die quickly then you will be relying on Primal Wrath and Thrash to do a larger chunk of your damage so you should opt for Bloodtalons. It is noted that at ~200 ilevel that Rake does more damage per cast than Swipe (which is target capped at 5), however Swipe does have the advantage of higher CP gen (at 25% crit, you have 76% chance of generating 2CP on a 5 target swipe). There are a couple of options, such as: Swipe spam with alternating Primal Wrath / Ferocious Bite; Tab Raking with Primal Wrath only (less CP); Swipe to 4 then Rake and alternate Primal Wrath/Ferocious Bite. While maintaining Thrash, you’ll probably lean towards the last option to do more damage.

Moment of Clarity is recommended for pug groups as you just won’t know their pull styles and time between pulls.

Also noted that between packs you can finish with a Shred then cast Swipe and Thrash out of combat to get new Bloodtalons procs.

Legendaries
Packs typically die at the same time rather than reverse bolstering, as such your options are limited to:
Cat-eye Curio (Max Energy +60 and 25% clearcast refund) – the all-rounder legendary. Increases your resources at start of a pull so you can get your setup done quickly, and lets you spam an extra TF worth of energy into your bar at the end of a pack.

Circle of Life and Death (25% faster DoTs) – which augments Primal Wrath at the cost of Ferocious Bite. If you are biting correctly then the value of this legendary is not as good on sets that die quickly, and sub 3 target cleaves.

Apex Predator’s Craving – (4% Rip Damage Proc Free FB) – Good if you can pull non dangerous mobs onto a boss and no one touches them. Could be useful on Tyrannical weeks. At the moment though most people set up a full Prideful buff to take into a boss.

Eye of Fearful Symmetry (3CP Tiger’s Fury) – worse than Cat-eye Curio for pack-to-pack set ups. Spamming 3CP Ferocious Bites doesn’t seem that good. Might be okay with Savage Roar but seems pretty lacklustre.

Sunfire Weaving

As of September 11 2020, Sunfire Weaving is likely a thing as it does about the same damage as a Ferocious Bite on 3 Targets, and does about 2x Shred Damage on Single Target (cast before Tiger’s Fury is approx 2% damage output on meters). I’m putting this here subtly so they don’t fix it. No one reads my blog anyway except the idea stealerers.

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